[vox] Widgets and window managers (was on vox-tech: IDE cdrw/dvdrw

[Karsten M. Self]

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on Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 11:03:01AM -0800, Mark K. Kim (markslist@cbreak.org=
) wrote:
> Let the morning rambling begin...
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> On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
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> > however, i have a confession to make.  i liked GNOME (although i would
> > never use GNOME) because IMHO, gtk is MUCH prettier than qt.  actually,
> > i *used* to like gtk.  the gtk 2.0 widget set is the ugliest thing i've
> > ever seen.  i installed the development version of gimp on one of my
> > systems.  within minutes, i kicked that thing off my system and went
> > back to gimp 1.2.  they call that progress?  ick.
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> Haha... I like the new gimp =3D)  I can't tell the difference between the
> new GTK and the old GTK; seems like the new Gimp just uses new icons for
> its buttons, though, and I like the new buttons (more colorful =3D)

I've just installed a few new Debian boxen.  New versions of several
GNOME apps, including Gimp and (gasp) Galeon.  The latter being one
"upgrade" I really *didn't* want to make.  I'm actually pleasently
surprised, mostly, at the latter.


> > joe arruda had a profound effect on my life: i will be using nothing
> > but enlightenment till the day i die.  i don't know if he's reading
> > vox traffic anymore, but if he is... "joe, thank you for
> > 'enlightening' me".
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> No comment on the messiness of E code or its bloatedness... -_-'

After a week's use of legacy MS Windows XP and KDE (via Knoppix),
getting a WindowMaker desktop was a welcome breath of fresh air.

I'm not particularly keen on the GNUstep widget set (more properly
WINGS) under GNU/Linux, through I like WMaker's generally clean,
no-nonsense appearance, and configurability on Things Wot Matters.


> > on the subjects of widget sets, i have a deep dark secret that i've
> > never told anybody but my wife, but now i'm going to let it all hang
> > out.  i really love microsoft's widget set.   it's beautiful,
> > feature rich and intuitive.  i wish someone would clone it.

This is my favorite widget:   |


> Wow... I think the MS widget set is ugly (I think it overuses 3D
> effects and has not enough colors).  I like the Mac's widget sets (all
> of 'em -- classic, Platinum, OS X)...  and how they "move" when you
> interact with them.  So elegant! so pretty! =3D)
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> [snip]
> > it's really too bad that a) the windows kernels suck so badly,=20

It's rather less the kernel than the crud loaded on top and spaghetti
code which is legacy MS Windows.  Largely driven for marketing and
lock-in purposes.

> > b) windows developers are so stupid=20

They're not.

In things Microsoft, never attribute to stupidity that which can be
adequately ascribed to malice.

> > that they can't break out of the "everything must be a GUI paradigm
> > and c) the design of the OS is so flawed.

These are not accidental features, IMVAO.



> There was a project that set out to mimic Windows.  Forgot what it's
> called.  They wanted to mimic everything, including the control panel.
> Don't know the project URL, though =3D(  I think I found the project
> originally via Slashdot.

XPde.  Still relatively early beta.  Good for screenshots, though not
serious work.  Hrm.  Maybe it *is* finished.

    http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/XP-screen.png
    (Yes, Virginia, that *is* a GNU/Linux desktop)


Peace.

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