[vox] IRC drama!

[Timothy D Thatcher]

Hey everyone,

Update: Well, it looks like the question was answered for us. Freenode as
we knew it has died. Yesterday, the new staff made the decision to dump 20
years of channel and nick registration and cut everything over to a new set
of servers, with only a few hours of notice and no information or
reasoning, other than some rather... cultish noises with no real
discussion, content or meaning ("reborn", "brave new world", "join us",
"more in coming days", etc.)

The result is that we've gone ahead and moved #lugod over to a new
permanent home at irc.libera.chat! Please update your server lists if you
haven't already. The documentation on lugod.org has also been updated to
reflect the change.


-Tim


On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 11:28 PM Timothy D Thatcher <
daniel.thatcher at gmail.com> wrote:

> Indeed. So far reports have been that it's pretty stable, and we have
> already established a bit of a beachhead there in #lugod in anticipation of
> a formal move (which means me re-writing the IRC documentation on
> lugod.org, woo.)
>
> I was fairly ambivalent about the drama due to a general disinclination to
> get sucked into staff drama, but after the
> anyone-with-libera-in-the-chan-topic-gets-taken-over "mistake"-- including
> channels for some *very* notable projects, and the real mass migrations
> that it caused -- I'm more inclined to pack us up as well and move us on to
> someplace a little more.. sane. Libera seems to be where the whole FOSS
> crowd is pretty much shifting, so I lean that way for the sake of
> everyone's convenience more than anything. But I did want to poll anyone
> listening to see if there were strong feelings one way of the other.
>
> (
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/freenode-irc-has-been-taken-over-by-the-crown-prince-of-korea/
> for a bit of a hyperbolic headline and a summary of the situation for
> anyone who missed it.)
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 10:55 PM Marianne Waage <yamara at plush.org> wrote:
>
>> The #boardgame channel has moved to irc.libera.chat, and it's been stable
>> with no lag.
>>
>> There were some channels hijacked after being moved to elsewhere, so it
>> mighty make sense to leave a tiny presence, a person who points people the
>> right way, rather than leaving it and having a topic for people to follow.
>>
>>
>> https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html
>>
>> There's another report by something like vhtop or something that says
>> which user is being used by the prince. It might show with some Google-fu.
>>
>> I was inclined to be lazy about migrating, but the hostile nature of the
>> channel takeovers encourages me towards abandoning freenode more quickly.
>> That is not the behavior of someone I trust to manage anything.
>>
>> Marianne
>>
>> On May 28, 2021 3:23:07 PM PDT, Timothy D Thatcher <
>> daniel.thatcher at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello LUGOD folks,
>>>
>>> We've been IRC-only for some while now. That may change soon, we'll talk
>>> about that.
>>>
>>> But in the meanwhile...Any IRC users are probably by now aware of the
>>> dumb drama around the Freenode IRC network.
>>>
>>> As a result of all that, we're thinking of shifting our chat over to to
>>> either Libera.chat, or possibly oftc.net instead.
>>>
>>> Libera has the bonus of having a suddenly large userbase, with many FOSS
>>> projects from Freenode moving their channels over there, including some
>>> notable ones like #ubuntu, #gentoo, etc.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, OFTC has been around for much longer. But the
>>> flipside is that it does have a much smaller userbase.
>>>
>>> I'm slightly inclined to go with the crowd and point our IRC material
>>> over to Libera.
>>>
>>> Maybe it's too soon to be jumping ship at all and we should stay put.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>
>> --
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