[vox] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old

[Ken Bloom]

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On 2004.03.19 15:08, Bill Kendrick wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 03:04:32PM -0800, Ken Bloom wrote:
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> > The IDEs are all bloated.
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> Wow.  One-liner diss :)

Dont' get me wrong. Java is a great language with incredibly comprehensive =
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standard libraries (which I find useful for things like sockets and SQL =20
databases), and GCJ makes it a reasonably efficient language too.

The problem is with the IDEs is they all try to do RAD development and they=
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all take a lot of overhead doing it, and they're all compiled in bytecode -=
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not GCJ. Perhaps the RAD development isn't so much of a problem, but GCJ =
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doesn't support AWT or Swing (so the RAD development tools, and generally =
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the programs you'd write with them) can't yet be compiled down to native =
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code. And even if they could be compiled with GCJ, do you think any of the =
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IDE vendors would actually take the time to do that?

After you remove RAD, there's not much that you can't do with your standard=
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development tools.


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