What I think is most interesting about this discussion are the MUAs for the people that have participated so far. mutt: 5 pine: 1 claws: 1 Mozilla Thunderbird: 1 It oddly pleases me to not see 'Outlook' in that list ;-) I do run my own mail also. postfix on a VPS at iocoop.org I'm with Rick - access to MTA logs is not optional. -t