[vox-tech] installing suse linux 8.1
Peter Jay Salzman
vox-tech@lists.lugod.org
Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:23:58 -0700
On Sat 10 Apr 04, 8:20 PM, Jimbo <evesautomotive@charter.net> said:
> Well:
> This is what I have done so far...I tried two different cd roms on my newly
> built pc (new and the original cd rom I used to install suse on my old
> pc)--->same results. I tried my boys pc, which is exactly the same as mine
> (same motherboard, same processor, same memory but different cd rom and
> video card) ---> same results.
>
> Then I tried it on my daughters dell built pc P4 and it recognized the disk
> with no problems but I didn't install it. This shows that it is not a bad
> suse disk or bad cd roms but a compatibility issue with my pc's hardware, be
> it memory, motherboard or processor and nothing more.
> Here is what I am running:
> Motherboard: Intel p4 model # D865PERL.
> Processor: Intel p4 3ghz 800mhz system bus; 512 KB l2 advanced transfer
> cache supporting hyper threading technology.
> Memory: Kingston 2X512 MB 400mhz; model # kvr400ak2/1gr.
hi jim,
ahhh... you said it was an 800MHz system, which was why i called it an
aging system. if i were more knowledgable about intel hardware, i
would've known better. it's 3GHz system. that changes things. and
googling tells me that chances are good that you have SATA drives
attached to that thing.
ok, we've established that you DO have a bleeding edge system, so i take
back what i said. it's almost certain that there's a hardware
compatibility[1].
i did a little googling on your motherboard, and there ARE people with
the same problem. lots of them. typical problem:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?postid=811530
looks like many people are having problems with SATA drives on this
system. does your system use SATA? (sorry, i can't tell you whether
SATA connectors look the same as ATA; i've never seen SATA before.
hopefully that'll change soon!).
it also appears that some people (again, reference the URL above) have
been having trouble specifically with suse on this motherboard. i've
found evidence that people may have success with debian and fedora.
here's another message i found on google:
http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2004-Mar/2666.html
you may want to try setting "compatibility" mode in your BIOS (but do
heed the guy's warning about learning what it does first. i have no
idea myself).
and this:
http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2004-Mar/2667.html
more googling suggests that you try to type "apic" at the boot prompt.
there's actually quite a bit on google. here's more:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/18/2003/11/1/109392
so you have a lot to go on now. it's sometimes hard to separate out the
good stuff from crap, but here's what i would try, in order of
difficulty:
1. try the apic suggestion (not hopeful).
2. try the "compatibility" mode suggestion (not hopeful).
3. try another distro, just out of curiosity.
4. try putting in ATA drives if you're currently using SATA drives.
the lkmpg messages i've seen are from march and april, so i'm sure
someone is working on the problem as we speak.
> This is the same as my boy's pc except his motherboard has built in LAN and
> supports raid.
>
> I have spent big bucks recently building my systems. I am not going to buy
> any more hardware. I wonder if it has to do with memory? I wish that I had
> different memory to try but I cant afford to spend any more money to figure
> this out
>
> Jimbo
yeah, i know where you're coming from. i've been in the same situation
myself, and it's not fun. it's the "what the heck am i supposed to do
now" feeling. a friend and i had to change catalytic converter on the Z
about a year ago. the bolts were rusted, and i mean RUSTED. you know
how hot those things get, and they're low to the ground, so they always
get wet anyhow. we had to do a balancing act just to reach the bolts in
the first place. we had no room to really get good leverage. anyway,
for some reason this conversation reminded me of that afternoon.
i know there was nothing definite here. hope something here is useful
to you. anyway, the key here was to google for your motherboard.
pete
[1] compatibility is a bad word. "unsupported" is a better word.
better yet, "unsupported as of right now" is best, because chances are
good that someone is hacking away at support as we type.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Jay Salzman" <p@dirac.org>
> To: <vox-tech@lists.lugod.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [vox-tech] installing suse linux 8.1
>
>
> > jim,
> >
> > i haven't been following this thread, but here's my take from jumping in.
> >
> > the key here is two-fold:
> >
> > 1. 800MHz P4 is an aging system in the scheme of things.
> >
> > 2. you didn't find anything in google.
> >
> > the first point is relevent because linux sometimes doesn't get new mobo
> > chipset support immediately. when i first bought my kt133a, literally 2
> > weeks after the chipset first came out, some of the AGP stuff didn't
> > work. googling, i found a kernel developer announce on lkmpg that he
> > was working on it.
> >
> > i sent him a polite note asking for an ETA, and he gave me some patches
> > which were included with the next kernel.
> >
> > but an 800 MHz P4 is what -- 2 years old by now?
> >
> > i __seriously__ doubt there's a hardware problem there. any problems
> > would've been worked out a long time ago.
> >
> >
> > the second point is valid, well, because it's ALWAYS valid. i've never
> > found that i was the first person to discover a problem. someone,
> > somewhere, always asked the same question before me. sometimes the
> > question got answered, and sometimes it didn't. sometimes i'd have to
> > search very hard. but my questions have always been asked before. and
> > believe you me, i ask a LOT of questions.
> >
> >
> > well, there's a third key:
> >
> > * the problem seems to be "related" to a CD drive
> >
> > the day of proprietary IDE devices is over, i think. rick moen keeps
> > information like this on his website, so maybe he'll have something
> > different to say. but i think it's true. you don't get much more linux
> > friendly than an IDE CD drive. except for, of course, a SCSI CD drive.
> >
> >
> > here's my guess. it's not your motherboard. it's not your cd drive.
> > it's probably your disks.
> >
> > if you *insist* without the possibility of error that it's not the
> > disks, it has to be a bug in suse's install program, and you should look
> > for updates.
> >
> > if you bought the boxed set, you NEED to contact suse. if the problem
> > really is some kind of hw compatibility (which i stress is very
> > unlikely), they need to be made aware of it.
> >
> >
> > pete
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat 10 Apr 04, 2:12 PM, Jimbo <evesautomotive@charter.net> said:
> > > It appears that another OS can work on it. It has to be a compatibility
> > > issue of my motherboard or memory.
> > >
> > > This looks like a job for SUPER INSTALLFEST! (doing my best superman
> pose).
> > >
> > > I can always build another box w/ old motherboard and use that but
> darn!, I
> > > wanted to see how suse works on a top of the line setup.
> > >
> > > Jim George
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rod Roark" <rod@sunsetsystems.com>
> > > To: <vox-tech@lists.lugod.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 11:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [vox-tech] installing suse linux 8.1
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Friday 09 April 2004 11:39 pm, Jimbo wrote:
> > > > > Greetings:
> > > > > I am having a hard time installing suse on my newly built pc. I had
> > > sucessfully installed it many times before on my old pc.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have the boxed version of suse 8.1 professional. I load up via
> cd.
> > > It shows me various options to installing. I choose the top one
> > > (installation) which I have done in the past. Then it loads kernel.
> > > Screens pop up asking what language and type of keyboard. I hit enter
> on
> > > both occassions. Then, and this is where installation halts, a message
> pops
> > > up asking me to be sure that cd 1 is installed. I press enter for ok.
> Then
> > > a red box pops up and states that cd rom can not be mounted.
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried to go manual installation but same error. I have tried
> > > alternative installation disk 2 but same results.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a P4 800mhz processor with 1GB memory and an intel
> motherboard.
> > > Thinking it might be my cd rom I changed it with my other one that was
> used
> > > to install suse before but same results.
> > > > >
> > > > > All cds are good/ not damaged. Googling just made me waste time.
> > > > >
> > > > > If someone can give me insight and direction I would be very
> grateful.
> > > >
> > > > If you are sure the CD is not damaged, then it sounds like
> > > > some kind of hardware incompatibility with Linux, or perhaps
> > > > a hardware defect. Is the CD drive IDE? What's the
> > > > motherboard?
> > > >
> > > > -- Rod
> >
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