From nbs at sonic.net Wed Feb 1 02:00:40 2012 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 02:00:40 -0800 Subject: [vox] [fwd] BALUG: 2012-02-21: OpenPhoto Project - Jaisen Mathai; & other BALUG news [San Francisco] Message-ID: <20120201100038.GA31238@sonic.net> FYI ----- Forwarded message from Michael Paoli ----- Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 01:02:02 -0800 From: "Michael Paoli" Subject: [BALUG-Announce] BALUG: 2012-02-21: OpenPhoto Project - Jaisen Mathai; & other BALUG news Reply-To: rsvp at balug.org BALUG: 2012-02-21: OpenPhoto Project - Jaisen Mathai; & other BALUG news ------------------------------ items, details further below: 2012-02-21: OpenPhoto Project - Jaisen Mathai 2012-03-20: Double-Take Availability for Linux by Vision Solutions book(s), CDs, and other "door prizes", etc. BALUG system upgrades & volunteering to help BALUG ------------------------------ BALUG is proud to announce, for our 2012-02-21 meeting we have: Data portability, the next frontier, and The OpenPhoto Project[1], by Jaisen Mathai[2] Putting users in control of their data means separating data storage from application logic. Doing so opens up possibilities which were previously impossible. Open data will do for the Internet what open source did for computing. Jaisen Mathai[2] is the founder of The OpenPhoto Project[1]: an open source, decentralized and federated photo platform. Prior to starting the project Jaisen was an engineer at [3]Yahoo! and before that he co-founded a photo startup. The OpenPhoto Project was accepted into Mozilla[4]'s WebFWD[8] program. Prior to joining WebFWD the project raised $25,000 on Kickstarter[9]. All of the source code is available on Github[10]. You can find more information about: The OpenPhoto Project at: http://theopenphotoproject.org/ and Jaisen Mathai at: http://www.jaisenmathai.com/ 1. http://theopenphotoproject.org/ 2. http://www.jaisenmathai.com/ 3. http://www.yahoo.com/ 4. http://www.mozilla.org/ 8. https://webfwd.org/ 9. http://www.kickstarter.com/ 10. https://github.com/ So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, February 21st, 2012 2012-02-21 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue). ------------------------------ BALUG is proud to announce, for our 2012-03-20 meeting we have: A technical presentation by Vision Solutions[1] on Double-Take Availability for Linux[2]. Double-Take Availability for Linux is a continuous, byte-level replication and failover software product. As it can monitor changes to any data files, it can protect any application - DB or others. The replication is from source to target server. Each server is licensed and has the software installed. Configuration of what data to replicate and what failover parameters are to be used is accomplished by a universal console that can run on any Windows platform - PC, laptop, server, etc. The console doesn't need to run on the servers being protected. Source and target servers can be in the same room or across any geographic distance - over any TCP/IP network. As Availability is considered a high availability product, RPOs are typically in the near-zero range because the data changes are captured and transmitted continuously. RTO (or failover) is typically in the seconds to minutes range. Vision Solutions currently supports most releases of RHEL, Oracle Linux, CentOS, SUSE with the Ext and XFS file systems. These distributions are supported on physical and virtual environments. Here is a short data sheet on the product: http://pdf.visionsolutions.com/pdfs/us-double-take-availability-for-linux.pdf and website has several white papers also: http://www.visionsolutions.com/Popular-Resources/Whitepapers.aspx 1. http://www.visionsolutions.com/ 2. http://www.visionsolutions.com/Products/DT-Avail-Lin.aspx ------------------------------ book(s), CDs, and other "door prizes", etc. Book(s) - from No Starch Press, we received for review: _The Linux Command Line_ A Complete Introduction by William E. Shotts, Jr. January 2012, 480 pp. ISBN: 978-1-59327-389-7 http://www.nostarch.com/tlcl.htm Additional goodies we'll have at the meeting (at least the following): CDs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have "door prizes". ------------------------------ BALUG system upgrades & volunteering to help BALUG BALUG has some system upgrades (mostly operating system upgrades) coming in its future. For most of the information on that, have a look at posts on or after 2012-01-22 on the SF-LUG[1] list[2] with the string: SF-LUG & BALUG: System OS upgrades in the Subject: header Want to volunteer to help out BALUG? (quite a variety of opportunities exist, including the above) Drop us a note at: balug-contact at balug.org Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting. 1. http://www.sf-lug.com/ http://www.sf-lug.org/ 2. http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- -bill! Sent from my computer From nbs at sonic.net Wed Feb 1 02:22:38 2012 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 02:22:38 -0800 Subject: [vox] Connect to LUGOD's IRC chat channel via the web! Message-ID: <20120201102238.GB18536@sonic.net> I recently discovered that Freenode, which hosts the #lugod IRC channel (as well as that of 1000s of other open source and free software related projects) now has a web interface, over at webchat.freenode.net If you'd like to hop onto LUGOD's channel, #lugod, and would prefer not to use a command-line client like IRC II or irssi, or a GUI client like X-Chat or Konversation, just go here (JavaScript required): http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#lugod -- -bill! Sent from my computer From brian at brie.com Tue Feb 7 10:37:30 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:37:30 -0800 Subject: [vox] Social tonight at Crepeville Message-ID: <20120207183730.GM4237@brie.com> Social Gathering tonight. Bill's wife just had a baby! Crepeville 330 3rd Street Davis, CA 95616 Tuesday February 7, 2012 7:00-9:00pm brian -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From brian at brie.com Wed Feb 8 09:16:18 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:16:18 -0800 Subject: [vox] Check out OpenVSwitch Message-ID: <20120208171618.GP4237@brie.com> Finally there is something better than just bridge-utils in GNU/Linux. You can.... tie into openflow, do traffic monitoring and receive netflow and do QOS. Is that smoking or what? http://openvswitch.org/ Oh, and there are Debian packages for Squeeze. I have yet to try it out, but this looks promising! brian -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From brian at brie.com Wed Feb 8 09:21:58 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:21:58 -0800 Subject: [vox] Give me storage! Message-ID: <20120208172158.GQ4237@brie.com> Gluster looks very cool. I am thinking to put that storage on its own vlan using openvswitch, configure my HP switches using openflow and voila, I have storage to go. http://gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/GlusterFS_Concepts brian -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From brian at brie.com Wed Feb 8 09:25:55 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:25:55 -0800 Subject: [vox] Give me Debian and then give me Xen... tools. Message-ID: <20120208172555.GR4237@brie.com> With Xen tools you can really tally up the number of times you have installed Debian. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xen-tools http://xen-tools.org/software/xen-tools/ Put in your openVswitch, your openflow, your gluster. Now we are talking total world domination. brian -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From cyan255 at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 11:46:09 2012 From: cyan255 at gmail.com (Francisco Athens) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:46:09 -0800 Subject: [vox] Give me storage! In-Reply-To: <20120208172158.GQ4237@brie.com> References: <20120208172158.GQ4237@brie.com> Message-ID: 72 brontobytes! mmm... brontobytes... yabba dabba doo!!! On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Brian Lavender wrote: > Gluster looks very cool. I am thinking to put that storage on > its own vlan using openvswitch, configure my HP switches using > openflow and voila, I have storage to go. > http://gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/GlusterFS_Concepts > > brian > -- > Brian Lavender > http://www.brie.com/brian/ > > "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to > make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other > way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." > > Professor C. A. R. Hoare > The 1980 Turing award lecture > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.lugod.org/pipermail/vox/attachments/20120208/12654de2/attachment.htm From brian at brie.com Wed Feb 8 15:52:44 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:52:44 -0800 Subject: [vox] Need speaker for Feb Message-ID: <20120208235244.GW4237@brie.com> We need a speaker for Feb. Any volunteers? brian -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From brian at brie.com Thu Feb 9 08:43:35 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:43:35 -0800 Subject: [vox] Need speaker for Feb In-Reply-To: <20120208235244.GW4237@brie.com> References: <20120208235244.GW4237@brie.com> Message-ID: <20120209164335.GX4237@brie.com> It looks like I have a preliminary offer from Alex to give a talk. Alex, did you want to post to the list the topics you have in mind? brian On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 03:52:44PM -0800, Brian Lavender wrote: > We need a speaker for Feb. > > Any volunteers? -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From tech_dev at wildintellect.com Thu Feb 9 09:26:27 2012 From: tech_dev at wildintellect.com (Alex Mandel) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:26:27 -0800 Subject: [vox] Need speaker for Feb In-Reply-To: <20120209164335.GX4237@brie.com> References: <20120208235244.GW4237@brie.com> <20120209164335.GX4237@brie.com> Message-ID: <4F3401C3.9040501@wildintellect.com> On 02/09/2012 08:43 AM, Brian Lavender wrote: > It looks like I have a preliminary offer from Alex to give a talk. > > Alex, did you want to post to the list the topics you have in mind? > > brian > > On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 03:52:44PM -0800, Brian Lavender wrote: >> We need a speaker for Feb. >> >> Any volunteers? > Here's a list of potential stuff, would love to hear feedback *Location Awareness - Spatial Databases (Spatialite, Postgis)+a little Geodjango *Making Maps at home - QGIS, Inkscape, Marble etc... *Customizing a Distro - OSGeo Live project *Everything Geospatial - an overview of the 40+ apps on the OSGeo Live disc (Desktop apps, web clients, web servers, programming libraries,etc) - at 2 minutes an app you can see how this will fill the time. *Getting Started on Android Development *Understanding Open Source Licenses and Business models - From a non lawyer perspective *Tips & tricks from using Linux as my main Desktop OS for 7 years and doing hundreds of installs at Installfests. Thanks, Alex From mikiesrunsbaal.sec at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 9 16:58:06 2012 From: mikiesrunsbaal.sec at sbcglobal.net (Mikies Runs Baal) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:58:06 -0800 Subject: [vox] Need speaker for Feb In-Reply-To: <4F3401C3.9040501@wildintellect.com> References: <20120208235244.GW4237@brie.com> <20120209164335.GX4237@brie.com> <4F3401C3.9040501@wildintellect.com> Message-ID: <4F346B9E.8000308@sbcglobal.net> Heya, What do you mean by customizing a distro? Are we just talking about installing packages via the terminal and running a batch file? Are we talking about customizing the kernel and recompiling? Are we talking about creating a customized bootable LIVE CD/DVD of specific packages for specialty usage? Lots of choices here and any one would make an interesting presentation. IMHO, MJR On 2/9/2012 9:26 AM, Alex Mandel wrote: > On 02/09/2012 08:43 AM, Brian Lavender wrote: >> It looks like I have a preliminary offer from Alex to give a talk. >> >> Alex, did you want to post to the list the topics you have in mind? >> >> brian >> >> On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 03:52:44PM -0800, Brian Lavender wrote: >>> We need a speaker for Feb. >>> >>> Any volunteers? > Here's a list of potential stuff, would love to hear feedback > > *Location Awareness - Spatial Databases (Spatialite, Postgis)+a little > Geodjango > *Making Maps at home - QGIS, Inkscape, Marble etc... > *Customizing a Distro - OSGeo Live project > *Everything Geospatial - an overview of the 40+ apps on the OSGeo Live > disc (Desktop apps, web clients, web servers, programming libraries,etc) > - at 2 minutes an app you can see how this will fill the time. > *Getting Started on Android Development > *Understanding Open Source Licenses and Business models - From a non > lawyer perspective > *Tips& tricks from using Linux as my main Desktop OS for 7 years and > doing hundreds of installs at Installfests. > > Thanks, > Alex > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox > From tech_dev at wildintellect.com Thu Feb 9 17:15:24 2012 From: tech_dev at wildintellect.com (Alex Mandel) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:15:24 -0800 Subject: [vox] Need speaker for Feb In-Reply-To: <4F346B9E.8000308@sbcglobal.net> References: <20120208235244.GW4237@brie.com> <20120209164335.GX4237@brie.com> <4F3401C3.9040501@wildintellect.com> <4F346B9E.8000308@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4F346FAC.5060706@wildintellect.com> I'm specifically referring to my experiences working on OSGeo Live http:\\live.osgeo.org It's a set of bash scripts that install and configures more than 40 Geospatial applications into a distro we release as a VM image, iso for dvd and iso for usb usage. That install includes example data, projects and tutorials for all the applications. So a little bit of 1. and 3., lots of scripts, some deb, some jar, some source, and some other to get packages built on top of Xubuntu which when then make into a Live disc to give out at conferences, and some of use to install computer labs at universities for teaching all things related to Geospatial Science (aka GIS & Remote Sensing). Thanks, Alex On 02/09/2012 04:58 PM, Mikies Runs Baal wrote: > Heya, > > What do you mean by customizing a distro? > > Are we just talking about installing packages via the terminal and > running a batch file? > > Are we talking about customizing the kernel and recompiling? > > Are we talking about creating a customized bootable LIVE CD/DVD of > specific packages for specialty usage? > > Lots of choices here and any one would make an interesting presentation. > > IMHO, > > MJR > > On 2/9/2012 9:26 AM, Alex Mandel wrote: >> On 02/09/2012 08:43 AM, Brian Lavender wrote: >>> It looks like I have a preliminary offer from Alex to give a talk. >>> >>> Alex, did you want to post to the list the topics you have in mind? >>> >>> brian >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 03:52:44PM -0800, Brian Lavender wrote: >>>> We need a speaker for Feb. >>>> >>>> Any volunteers? >> Here's a list of potential stuff, would love to hear feedback >> >> *Location Awareness - Spatial Databases (Spatialite, Postgis)+a little >> Geodjango >> *Making Maps at home - QGIS, Inkscape, Marble etc... >> *Customizing a Distro - OSGeo Live project >> *Everything Geospatial - an overview of the 40+ apps on the OSGeo Live >> disc (Desktop apps, web clients, web servers, programming libraries,etc) >> - at 2 minutes an app you can see how this will fill the time. >> *Getting Started on Android Development >> *Understanding Open Source Licenses and Business models - From a non >> lawyer perspective >> *Tips& tricks from using Linux as my main Desktop OS for 7 years and >> doing hundreds of installs at Installfests. >> >> Thanks, >> Alex >> _______________________________________________ >> vox mailing list >> vox at lists.lugod.org >> http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox >> > > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox From rod at sunsetsystems.com Thu Feb 9 18:22:21 2012 From: rod at sunsetsystems.com (Rod Roark) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:22:21 -0800 Subject: [vox] Linux-compatible video editing software? Message-ID: <4F347F5D.7080702@sunsetsystems.com> Having trouble here finding good video editing software. I have a ContourRoam camera and would like to make some simple movies from multiple clips with transitions, titles, etc. So far I've tried: avidemux: Not bad for trimming and re-encoding, but doesn't seem to do much else, no transition effects, hard to understand. Kino: Close, but only writes in NTSC or PAL formats/resolutions, doesn't do HD such as 1080p. Cinelerra: Very complicated, buggy, can't play your work in real time, memory hog, crashes a lot. Any suggestions? :) Rod From mikiesrunsbaal.sec at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 9 18:26:41 2012 From: mikiesrunsbaal.sec at sbcglobal.net (Mikies Runs Baal) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:26:41 -0800 Subject: [vox] Need speaker for Feb In-Reply-To: <4F346FAC.5060706@wildintellect.com> References: <20120208235244.GW4237@brie.com> <20120209164335.GX4237@brie.com> <4F3401C3.9040501@wildintellect.com> <4F346B9E.8000308@sbcglobal.net> <4F346FAC.5060706@wildintellect.com> Message-ID: <4F348061.8090008@sbcglobal.net> 1 & 3 is good. IMHO, MJR On 2/9/2012 5:15 PM, Alex Mandel wrote: > I'm specifically referring to my experiences working on OSGeo Live > http:\\live.osgeo.org > It's a set of bash scripts that install and configures more than 40 > Geospatial applications into a distro we release as a VM image, iso for > dvd and iso for usb usage. That install includes example data, projects > and tutorials for all the applications. > > So a little bit of 1. and 3., lots of scripts, some deb, some jar, some > source, and some other to get packages built on top of Xubuntu which > when then make into a Live disc to give out at conferences, and some of > use to install computer labs at universities for teaching all things > related to Geospatial Science (aka GIS& Remote Sensing). > > Thanks, > Alex > > > On 02/09/2012 04:58 PM, Mikies Runs Baal wrote: >> Heya, >> >> What do you mean by customizing a distro? >> >> Are we just talking about installing packages via the terminal and >> running a batch file? >> >> Are we talking about customizing the kernel and recompiling? >> >> Are we talking about creating a customized bootable LIVE CD/DVD of >> specific packages for specialty usage? >> >> Lots of choices here and any one would make an interesting presentation. >> >> IMHO, >> >> MJR >> >> On 2/9/2012 9:26 AM, Alex Mandel wrote: >>> On 02/09/2012 08:43 AM, Brian Lavender wrote: >>>> It looks like I have a preliminary offer from Alex to give a talk. >>>> >>>> Alex, did you want to post to the list the topics you have in mind? >>>> >>>> brian >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 03:52:44PM -0800, Brian Lavender wrote: >>>>> We need a speaker for Feb. >>>>> >>>>> Any volunteers? >>> Here's a list of potential stuff, would love to hear feedback >>> >>> *Location Awareness - Spatial Databases (Spatialite, Postgis)+a little >>> Geodjango >>> *Making Maps at home - QGIS, Inkscape, Marble etc... >>> *Customizing a Distro - OSGeo Live project >>> *Everything Geospatial - an overview of the 40+ apps on the OSGeo Live >>> disc (Desktop apps, web clients, web servers, programming libraries,etc) >>> - at 2 minutes an app you can see how this will fill the time. >>> *Getting Started on Android Development >>> *Understanding Open Source Licenses and Business models - From a non >>> lawyer perspective >>> *Tips& tricks from using Linux as my main Desktop OS for 7 years and >>> doing hundreds of installs at Installfests. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex >>> _______________________________________________ >>> vox mailing list >>> vox at lists.lugod.org >>> http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> vox mailing list >> vox at lists.lugod.org >> http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox > From tech_dev at wildintellect.com Thu Feb 9 19:51:03 2012 From: tech_dev at wildintellect.com (Alex Mandel) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:51:03 -0800 Subject: [vox] Linux-compatible video editing software? In-Reply-To: <4F347F5D.7080702@sunsetsystems.com> References: <4F347F5D.7080702@sunsetsystems.com> Message-ID: <4F349427.9040400@wildintellect.com> On 02/09/2012 06:22 PM, Rod Roark wrote: > Having trouble here finding good video editing software. I have a > ContourRoam camera and would like to make some simple movies from > multiple clips with transitions, titles, etc. So far I've tried: > > avidemux: Not bad for trimming and re-encoding, but doesn't seem to do > much else, no transition effects, hard to understand. > > Kino: Close, but only writes in NTSC or PAL formats/resolutions, doesn't > do HD such as 1080p. > > Cinelerra: Very complicated, buggy, can't play your work in real time, > memory hog, crashes a lot. > > Any suggestions? :) > > Rod Try http://www.pitivi.org/ it's replaced Kino as the default ubuntu editor. If that doesn't work post again and I'll go dig through my notes, where I tried everything out there. Thanks, Alex From brian at brie.com Thu Feb 9 19:58:18 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 19:58:18 -0800 Subject: [vox] Need speaker for Feb In-Reply-To: <4F3401C3.9040501@wildintellect.com> References: <20120208235244.GW4237@brie.com> <20120209164335.GX4237@brie.com> <4F3401C3.9040501@wildintellect.com> Message-ID: <20120210035818.GZ4237@brie.com> On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 09:26:27AM -0800, Alex Mandel wrote: > *Making Maps at home - QGIS, Inkscape, Marble etc... I vote for the above. brian -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From philipballew at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 22:44:02 2012 From: philipballew at gmail.com (Philip Ballew) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:44:02 -0800 Subject: [vox] Linux-compatible video editing software? In-Reply-To: <4F349427.9040400@wildintellect.com> References: <4F347F5D.7080702@sunsetsystems.com> <4F349427.9040400@wildintellect.com> Message-ID: Try open shot. http://www.openshotvideo.com/ On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Alex Mandel wrote: > On 02/09/2012 06:22 PM, Rod Roark wrote: > > Having trouble here finding good video editing software. I have a > > ContourRoam camera and would like to make some simple movies from > > multiple clips with transitions, titles, etc. So far I've tried: > > > > avidemux: Not bad for trimming and re-encoding, but doesn't seem to do > > much else, no transition effects, hard to understand. > > > > Kino: Close, but only writes in NTSC or PAL formats/resolutions, doesn't > > do HD such as 1080p. > > > > Cinelerra: Very complicated, buggy, can't play your work in real time, > > memory hog, crashes a lot. > > > > Any suggestions? :) > > > > Rod > > Try http://www.pitivi.org/ it's replaced Kino as the default ubuntu > editor. If that doesn't work post again and I'll go dig through my > notes, where I tried everything out there. > > Thanks, > Alex > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.lugod.org/pipermail/vox/attachments/20120209/7c1ca143/attachment.htm From rod at sunsetsystems.com Fri Feb 10 08:02:33 2012 From: rod at sunsetsystems.com (Rod Roark) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:02:33 -0800 Subject: [vox] Linux-compatible video editing software? In-Reply-To: References: <4F347F5D.7080702@sunsetsystems.com> <4F349427.9040400@wildintellect.com> Message-ID: <4F353F99.9000305@sunsetsystems.com> Thank you Alex and Philip! Both of these are appear more promising than anything else I've tried. OpenShot impresses me so far as being the most usable, actually catering to the needs of the lay user, and is the only one that hasn't crashed on me yet. :) Rod On 02/09/2012 10:44 PM, Philip Ballew wrote: > Try open shot. http://www.openshotvideo.com/ > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Alex Mandel > > wrote: > > On 02/09/2012 06:22 PM, Rod Roark wrote: > > Having trouble here finding good video editing software. I have a > > ContourRoam camera and would like to make some simple movies from > > multiple clips with transitions, titles, etc. So far I've tried: > > > > avidemux: Not bad for trimming and re-encoding, but doesn't seem > to do > > much else, no transition effects, hard to understand. > > > > Kino: Close, but only writes in NTSC or PAL formats/resolutions, > doesn't > > do HD such as 1080p. > > > > Cinelerra: Very complicated, buggy, can't play your work in real > time, > > memory hog, crashes a lot. > > > > Any suggestions? :) > > > > Rod > > Try http://www.pitivi.org/ it's replaced Kino as the default ubuntu > editor. If that doesn't work post again and I'll go dig through my > notes, where I tried everything out there. > > Thanks, > Alex > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox > > > > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox From nbs at sonic.net Sun Feb 12 13:50:00 2012 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:50:00 -0800 Subject: [vox] "Linux Popularity Sparks Salary Jump" Message-ID: <20120212215000.GB643@sonic.net> Linux Popularity Sparks Salary Jump http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/ "Companies adopting the free, open-source Linux operating system are having trouble finding developers and system administrators skilled in Linux, according to a new survey to be released next week. The tight job market has driven up salaries and bonuses and prompted companies to increase their training and outreach to meet recruiting needs, the survey finds. The median salary for Linux-skilled technologists rose 5% to $84,000 last year with median bonuses at $5,000, according to Dice Holdings Inc., a technology jobs board that conducted the survey with The Linux Foundation, a nonprofit advocacy group." -- -bill! Sent from my computer From mikiesrunsbaal.sec at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 12 16:59:52 2012 From: mikiesrunsbaal.sec at sbcglobal.net (Mikies Runs Baal) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:59:52 -0800 Subject: [vox] "Linux Popularity Sparks Salary Jump" In-Reply-To: <20120212215000.GB643@sonic.net> References: <20120212215000.GB643@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4F386088.80502@sbcglobal.net> On 2/12/2012 1:50 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote: > Linux Popularity Sparks Salary Jump > http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/ > > "Companies adopting the free, open-source Linux operating system are > having trouble finding developers and system administrators skilled in > Linux, according to a new survey to be released next week. > > The tight job market has driven up salaries and bonuses and prompted > companies to increase their training and outreach to meet recruiting > needs, the survey finds. The median salary for Linux-skilled > technologists rose 5% to $84,000 last year with median bonuses at > $5,000, according to Dice Holdings Inc., a technology jobs board that > conducted the survey with The Linux Foundation, a nonprofit advocacy > group." > Nice. Go UNIX/LINUX.... MJR From timriley at appahost.com Mon Feb 13 10:46:42 2012 From: timriley at appahost.com (timriley at appahost.com) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:46:42 -0700 Subject: [vox] [VOX] Microsoft website hacked Message-ID: <20120213114642.3ff1a149c2597e947aaa4ef1c4679d0c.5b7de59e3a.wbe@email15.secureserver.net> Here's the latest reason to avoid MS: "Microsoft India retail site hit by ?cyber attack?" "Microsoft said on Monday it was investigating an attack by hackers on its Indian retail website,..." The article said logins and passwords were taken. Microsoft is calling it a "limited compromise." Here's the article: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/13/microsoft-india-retail-site-hit-by-cyber-attack/ From ericrasmussen at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 10:55:24 2012 From: ericrasmussen at gmail.com (Eric Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:55:24 -0800 Subject: [vox] [VOX] Microsoft website hacked In-Reply-To: <20120213114642.3ff1a149c2597e947aaa4ef1c4679d0c.5b7de59e3a.wbe@email15.secureserver.net> References: <20120213114642.3ff1a149c2597e947aaa4ef1c4679d0c.5b7de59e3a.wbe@email15.secureserver.net> Message-ID: According to engadget, the passwords were even helpfully stored in plain text: http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/12/microsoft-store-hacked-in-india-leaked-passwords-stored-in-plai/ On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:46 AM, wrote: > Here's the latest reason to avoid MS: > > "Microsoft India retail site hit by ?cyber attack?" > > "Microsoft said on Monday it was investigating an attack > by hackers on its Indian retail website,..." > > The article said logins and passwords were taken. > Microsoft is calling it a "limited compromise." > > Here's the article: > > http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/13/microsoft-india-retail-site-hit-by-cyber-attack/ > > > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.lugod.org/pipermail/vox/attachments/20120213/ba279800/attachment.htm From wjhns156 at hardakers.net Wed Feb 15 15:07:41 2012 From: wjhns156 at hardakers.net (Wes Hardaker) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:07:41 -0800 Subject: [vox] Linux-compatible video editing software? In-Reply-To: <4F347F5D.7080702@sunsetsystems.com> (Rod Roark's message of "Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:22:21 -0800") References: <4F347F5D.7080702@sunsetsystems.com> Message-ID: <0lty2rd7b6.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> >>>>> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:22:21 -0800, Rod Roark said: RR> Any suggestions? :) I made a good hour long DVD of videos, audio fixes, overlays, slide shows, etc using kdenlive. I got really really fast at it and think it's editing interface is quite good. Once you learn how to use it, of course... -- Wes Hardaker My Pictures: http://capturedonearth.com/ My Thoughts: http://pontifications.hardakers.net/ From nbs at sonic.net Mon Feb 20 12:04:56 2012 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:04:56 -0800 Subject: [vox] On libraries Message-ID: <20120220200456.GA31794@sonic.net> http://www.metafilter.com/112698/California-Dreamin#4183210 Have to be quick, sorry for no summary.. -- -bill! Sent from my computer From brian at brie.com Mon Feb 20 13:30:01 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:30:01 -0800 Subject: [vox] Feb 20 LUGOD: "Intro to Neogeography - Armchair map making" Message-ID: <20120220213001.GM5615@brie.com> The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD), will be holding a meeting on: Monday January 16, 2006 6:30pm - 9:00pm Special Location: Explorit Nature Center 3141 5th Street Davis, CA 95616 Presentation: Intro to Neogeography - Armchair map making Alex Mandel PhD Student, Geography Graduate Group, UC Davis http://geography.ucdavis.edu Chair, Systems Administration Committee, Open Source Geospatial Foundation http://www.osgeo.org Want a map of somewhere you're going, a visualization of somewhere you've been, or just a interesting mashup of geographic data over the web; with a dash of GPS/smartphone points and maybe a few geotagged photos? If everyone knows the basics of spatial data formats, concepts, data sources, and software tools they too can be neogeographers making and sharing maps, from their perspective and from the comfort of their living room, with the rest of the world. This talk will give you the knowledge necessary to make your own maps with open source software, free data, and some general cartography tips. -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From brian at brie.com Mon Feb 20 13:31:54 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:31:54 -0800 Subject: [vox] Feb 20 LUGOD: "Intro to Neogeography - Armchair map making" In-Reply-To: <20120220213001.GM5615@brie.com> References: <20120220213001.GM5615@brie.com> Message-ID: <20120220213154.GD4237@brie.com> The meeting is actually today! February 20, 2012 On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 01:30:01PM -0800, Brian Lavender wrote: > The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD), will be holding a meeting on: > > Monday > January 16, 2006 > 6:30pm - 9:00pm > > Special Location: > > Explorit Nature Center > 3141 5th Street > Davis, CA 95616 > > Presentation: > > Intro to Neogeography - Armchair map making > > Alex Mandel > PhD Student, Geography Graduate Group, UC Davis > http://geography.ucdavis.edu > > Chair, Systems Administration Committee, Open Source Geospatial Foundation > http://www.osgeo.org > > Want a map of somewhere you're going, a visualization of somewhere > you've been, or just a interesting mashup of geographic data over the > web; with a dash of GPS/smartphone points and maybe a few geotagged > photos? If everyone knows the basics of spatial data formats, concepts, > data sources, and software tools they too can be neogeographers making > and sharing maps, from their perspective and from the comfort of their > living room, with the rest of the world. > > This talk will give you the knowledge necessary to make your own maps > with open source software, free data, and some general cartography tips. > > -- > Brian Lavender > http://www.brie.com/brian/ > > "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to > make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other > way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." > > Professor C. A. R. Hoare > The 1980 Turing award lecture > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From brian at brie.com Mon Feb 20 13:46:13 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:46:13 -0800 Subject: [vox] Feb 20 LUGOD: "Intro to Neogeography - Armchair map making" In-Reply-To: <20120220213154.GD4237@brie.com> References: <20120220213001.GM5615@brie.com> <20120220213154.GD4237@brie.com> Message-ID: <20120220214613.GF4237@brie.com> And, it starts at 7pm. I think that is the final mistaken detail. I hope to see everyone there. I am sure that this will be an exciting talk. brian On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 01:31:54PM -0800, Brian Lavender wrote: > The meeting is actually today! > > February 20, 2012 > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 01:30:01PM -0800, Brian Lavender wrote: > > The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD), will be holding a meeting on: > > > > Monday > > January 16, 2006 > > 6:30pm - 9:00pm > > > > Special Location: > > > > Explorit Nature Center > > 3141 5th Street > > Davis, CA 95616 > > > > Presentation: > > > > Intro to Neogeography - Armchair map making > > > > Alex Mandel > > PhD Student, Geography Graduate Group, UC Davis > > http://geography.ucdavis.edu > > > > Chair, Systems Administration Committee, Open Source Geospatial Foundation > > http://www.osgeo.org > > > > Want a map of somewhere you're going, a visualization of somewhere > > you've been, or just a interesting mashup of geographic data over the > > web; with a dash of GPS/smartphone points and maybe a few geotagged > > photos? If everyone knows the basics of spatial data formats, concepts, > > data sources, and software tools they too can be neogeographers making > > and sharing maps, from their perspective and from the comfort of their > > living room, with the rest of the world. > > > > This talk will give you the knowledge necessary to make your own maps > > with open source software, free data, and some general cartography tips. > > > > -- > > Brian Lavender > > http://www.brie.com/brian/ > > > > "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to > > make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other > > way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." > > > > Professor C. A. R. Hoare > > The 1980 Turing award lecture > > _______________________________________________ > > vox mailing list > > vox at lists.lugod.org > > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox > > -- > Brian Lavender > http://www.brie.com/brian/ > > "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to > make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other > way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." > > Professor C. A. R. Hoare > The 1980 Turing award lecture > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From mikiesrunsbaal.sec at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 20 15:22:51 2012 From: mikiesrunsbaal.sec at sbcglobal.net (Mikies Runs Baal) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:22:51 -0800 Subject: [vox] Feb 20 LUGOD: "Intro to Neogeography - Armchair map making" In-Reply-To: <20120220213001.GM5615@brie.com> References: <20120220213001.GM5615@brie.com> Message-ID: <4F42D5CB.6040509@sbcglobal.net> January 16 is last month, Brian?? MJR On 2/20/2012 1:30 PM, Brian Lavender wrote: > The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD), will be holding a meeting on: > > Monday > January 16, 2006 > 6:30pm - 9:00pm > > Special Location: > > Explorit Nature Center > 3141 5th Street > Davis, CA 95616 > > Presentation: > > Intro to Neogeography - Armchair map making > > Alex Mandel > PhD Student, Geography Graduate Group, UC Davis > http://geography.ucdavis.edu > > Chair, Systems Administration Committee, Open Source Geospatial Foundation > http://www.osgeo.org > > Want a map of somewhere you're going, a visualization of somewhere > you've been, or just a interesting mashup of geographic data over the > web; with a dash of GPS/smartphone points and maybe a few geotagged > photos? If everyone knows the basics of spatial data formats, concepts, > data sources, and software tools they too can be neogeographers making > and sharing maps, from their perspective and from the comfort of their > living room, with the rest of the world. > > This talk will give you the knowledge necessary to make your own maps > with open source software, free data, and some general cartography tips. > From brian at brie.com Mon Feb 20 15:46:18 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:46:18 -0800 Subject: [vox] Feb 20 LUGOD: "Intro to Neogeography - Armchair map making" In-Reply-To: <4F42D5CB.6040509@sbcglobal.net> References: <20120220213001.GM5615@brie.com> <4F42D5CB.6040509@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20120220234618.GG4237@brie.com> Yes, please note the follow up correction. The meeting is this evening. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 03:22:51PM -0800, Mikies Runs Baal wrote: > January 16 is last month, Brian?? > > MJR > > On 2/20/2012 1:30 PM, Brian Lavender wrote: > > The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD), will be holding a meeting on: > > > > Monday > > January 16, 2006 > > 6:30pm - 9:00pm > > > > Special Location: > > > > Explorit Nature Center > > 3141 5th Street > > Davis, CA 95616 > > > > Presentation: > > > > Intro to Neogeography - Armchair map making > > > > Alex Mandel > > PhD Student, Geography Graduate Group, UC Davis > > http://geography.ucdavis.edu > > > > Chair, Systems Administration Committee, Open Source Geospatial Foundation > > http://www.osgeo.org > > > > Want a map of somewhere you're going, a visualization of somewhere > > you've been, or just a interesting mashup of geographic data over the > > web; with a dash of GPS/smartphone points and maybe a few geotagged > > photos? If everyone knows the basics of spatial data formats, concepts, > > data sources, and software tools they too can be neogeographers making > > and sharing maps, from their perspective and from the comfort of their > > living room, with the rest of the world. > > > > This talk will give you the knowledge necessary to make your own maps > > with open source software, free data, and some general cartography tips. > > > > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From brian at brie.com Mon Feb 20 23:43:46 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:43:46 -0800 Subject: [vox] Feb 20 LUGOD: "Intro to Neogeography - Armchair map making" In-Reply-To: <20120220234618.GG4237@brie.com> References: <20120220213001.GM5615@brie.com> <4F42D5CB.6040509@sbcglobal.net> <20120220234618.GG4237@brie.com> Message-ID: <20120221074346.GH4237@brie.com> I believe I will have to send out an announcement earlier next time. Thanks to Alex for a great talk. brian On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 03:46:18PM -0800, Brian Lavender wrote: > Yes, please note the follow up correction. The meeting is this evening. > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 03:22:51PM -0800, Mikies Runs Baal wrote: > > January 16 is last month, Brian?? > > > > MJR > > > > On 2/20/2012 1:30 PM, Brian Lavender wrote: > > > The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD), will be holding a meeting on: > > > > > > Monday > > > January 16, 2006 > > > 6:30pm - 9:00pm > > > > > > Special Location: > > > > > > Explorit Nature Center > > > 3141 5th Street > > > Davis, CA 95616 > > > > > > Presentation: > > > > > > Intro to Neogeography - Armchair map making > > > > > > Alex Mandel > > > PhD Student, Geography Graduate Group, UC Davis > > > http://geography.ucdavis.edu > > > > > > Chair, Systems Administration Committee, Open Source Geospatial Foundation > > > http://www.osgeo.org > > > > > > Want a map of somewhere you're going, a visualization of somewhere > > > you've been, or just a interesting mashup of geographic data over the > > > web; with a dash of GPS/smartphone points and maybe a few geotagged > > > photos? If everyone knows the basics of spatial data formats, concepts, > > > data sources, and software tools they too can be neogeographers making > > > and sharing maps, from their perspective and from the comfort of their > > > living room, with the rest of the world. > > > > > > This talk will give you the knowledge necessary to make your own maps > > > with open source software, free data, and some general cartography tips. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vox mailing list > > vox at lists.lugod.org > > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox > > -- > Brian Lavender > http://www.brie.com/brian/ > > "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to > make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other > way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." > > Professor C. A. R. Hoare > The 1980 Turing award lecture > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From brian at brie.com Tue Feb 21 16:28:49 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:28:49 -0800 Subject: [vox] What is you opinion on having a Java EE talk for February? Message-ID: <20120222002849.GJ4237@brie.com> At last night's meeting, I mentioned I could do a Java Web talk for February. What do you guys think about a Java EE talk for March? It seems that many favor python. While I think Python is great, I think there is a lot of wonderful stuff going with Java as far as doing web applications and the ultra wide application stuff with REST, security, EJBs, etc that you can do today. Netbeans and Glassfish are doing a lot of great stuff. And now with Java EE, you can dump much of that XML configuration stuff so many loathed with J2EE. What is your take? brian -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From brian at brie.com Tue Feb 21 16:44:38 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:44:38 -0800 Subject: [vox] What is you opinion on having a Java EE talk for March? In-Reply-To: <20120222002849.GJ4237@brie.com> References: <20120222002849.GJ4237@brie.com> Message-ID: <20120222004438.GK4237@brie.com> I mean for March. On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 04:28:49PM -0800, Brian Lavender wrote: > At last night's meeting, I mentioned I could do a Java Web talk for February. > What do you guys think about a Java EE talk for March? > > It seems that many favor python. While I think Python is great, I think there > is a lot of wonderful stuff going with Java as far as doing web applications > and the ultra wide application stuff with REST, security, EJBs, etc that you > can do today. Netbeans and Glassfish are doing a lot of great stuff. And now > with Java EE, you can dump much of that XML configuration stuff so many > loathed with J2EE. > > What is your take? > > brian > -- > Brian Lavender > http://www.brie.com/brian/ > > "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to > make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other > way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." > > Professor C. A. R. Hoare > The 1980 Turing award lecture > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From ericrasmussen at gmail.com Tue Feb 21 18:10:05 2012 From: ericrasmussen at gmail.com (Eric Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:10:05 -0800 Subject: [vox] What is you opinion on having a Java EE talk for March? In-Reply-To: <20120222004438.GK4237@brie.com> References: <20120222002849.GJ4237@brie.com> <20120222004438.GK4237@brie.com> Message-ID: Let me preface this by saying that according to some web development communities, Java's niche seems to be enterprise web development by large teams. The reasons I hear (warning: possible stereotypes and faulty assumptions ahead!) are: 1) The language itself is limited and results in a lot of boilerplate code, requiring more development and maintenance time 2) Deployment requires powerful servers, tons of configuration, etc. 3) The apps use a lot of memory so many web hosts don't support it It sounds like some of the libraries you've found might mitigate that and give people a reason to rethink Ruby on Rails or Django for their next app. In particular I'm really interested in how Java might benefit lone developers and small teams, either in terms of increased productivity or the security/stability/performance of the end product, and maybe a basic rundown of how to affordably launch a Java app. -Eric On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Brian Lavender wrote: > I mean for March. > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 04:28:49PM -0800, Brian Lavender wrote: > > At last night's meeting, I mentioned I could do a Java Web talk for > February. > > What do you guys think about a Java EE talk for March? > > > > It seems that many favor python. While I think Python is great, I think > there > > is a lot of wonderful stuff going with Java as far as doing web > applications > > and the ultra wide application stuff with REST, security, EJBs, etc that > you > > can do today. Netbeans and Glassfish are doing a lot of great stuff. And > now > > with Java EE, you can dump much of that XML configuration stuff so many > > loathed with J2EE. > > > > What is your take? > > > > brian > > -- > > Brian Lavender > > http://www.brie.com/brian/ > > > > "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to > > make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other > > way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." > > > > Professor C. A. R. Hoare > > The 1980 Turing award lecture > > _______________________________________________ > > vox mailing list > > vox at lists.lugod.org > > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox > > -- > Brian Lavender > http://www.brie.com/brian/ > > "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to > make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other > way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." > > Professor C. A. R. Hoare > The 1980 Turing award lecture > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.lugod.org/pipermail/vox/attachments/20120221/320cb615/attachment.htm From brian at brie.com Wed Feb 22 10:14:34 2012 From: brian at brie.com (Brian Lavender) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:14:34 -0800 Subject: [vox] What is you opinion on having a Java EE talk for March? In-Reply-To: References: <20120222002849.GJ4237@brie.com> <20120222004438.GK4237@brie.com> Message-ID: <20120222181433.GL4237@brie.com> Let me preface the Java seems to be encumbered at times with verbosity. System.out.println("Some text"); Or, the following, has got to make one wonder. public static void main() { } Yet, with its strong typing, it can at times promote better safety. Yet, I know the Python guys have a lot of good stuff going. On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 06:10:05PM -0800, Eric Rasmussen wrote: > Let me preface this by saying that according to some web development > communities, Java's niche seems to be enterprise web development by > large teams. The reasons I hear (warning: possible stereotypes and > faulty assumptions ahead!) are: > 1) The language itself is limited and results in a lot of boilerplate > code, requiring more development and maintenance time I think with EJB 2.1 the whole thing to stubs and skeletons and configuration files scared people off. EJB 3.1 is a whole lot easier. If you are writing Plain Old Java Objects (POJOs) and not having to focus on all this outside infrastructure, life is a lot better. Today's measurment of success usually measures whether or not you can focus on POJOs. Yet, Context Dependency Injection (CDI) also brings a better separation of concern. > 2) Deployment requires powerful servers, tons of configuration, etc. A little more overhead. But, if you all you want is a servlet container to serve up your pages, jetty is relatively light weight. If you want to see something cool, try the following: $ sudo apt-get install maven2 Using the the following will create default web application that uses Wicket framework. $ mvn archetype:generate -DarchetypeGroupId=org.apache.wicket \ -DarchetypeArtifactId=wicket-archetype-quickstart \ -DarchetypeVersion=1.5.4 -DgroupId=com.mycompany \ -DartifactId=myproject -DarchetypeRepository=https://repository.apache.org/ \ -DinteractiveMode=false $ cd myproject $ mvn jetty:run Point your browser to http://localhost:8080 . It's pretty lightweight. Not to mention, if you send your source code to someone, they can run it too without having to grab a whole bunch of jar dependencies. Pack up and send your project to a friend using the following: $ mvn clean $ tar zcvf myproject.tgz myproject $ ls -l myproject.tgz -rw-r--r-- 1 brian brian 20K 2012-02-22 10:11 myproject.tgz > 3) The apps use a lot of memory so many web hosts don't support it > It sounds like some of the libraries you've found might mitigate that > and give people a reason to rethink Ruby on Rails or Django for their > next app. In particular I'm really interested in how Java might benefit > lone developers and small teams, either in terms of increased > productivity or the security/stability/performance of the end product, > and maybe a basic rundown of how to affordably launch a Java app. Unpredictable Garbage Collection can be a hinderance, yet ehcache is supposed to do a good job at managing memory. I believe it uses a slab allocator so there are less system calls to alloc and free. So, I would like to invite people to download Netbeans 7.1. Get the version that does either Java EE or "All". It has the application server, the database. You will also need to have the OpenJDK installed. If not do a "sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk". You can also use OpenJDK 7 if you like. Once you have downloaded OpenJDK, run it similar to what follows: $ sh ./netbeans-7.1-ml.linux.sh Now that you have it installed, create a new web project. File->New Project Select a web project: Java Web Web Application Choose the defaults. Enter the name as SimpleWebApp Once the project has been created, right click the project and select "Run". Voila, you have a running Java Web Application. Netbeans has some great tools at facilitating the process. Netbeans should launch your web browser with the url referencing your application. It launched it using the included GlassFish application server. I worked through the book titled: Java EE 6 Development with NetBeans 7 by David R. Heffelfinger It walks you through many of the features of creating Java EE Applications. brian -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture From harold at hotelling.net Wed Feb 22 11:21:18 2012 From: harold at hotelling.net (Harold Lee) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:21:18 -0800 Subject: [vox] What is you opinion on having a Java EE talk for March? In-Reply-To: <20120222181433.GL4237@brie.com> References: <20120222002849.GJ4237@brie.com> <20120222004438.GK4237@brie.com> <20120222181433.GL4237@brie.com> Message-ID: No language is perfect, but I thought I'd chime in with some points in Java's favor. Even at big companies, Java often isn't done in that "enterprise" way. I don't like what I've seen of EJBs, and fortunately I've never had to use them (even at IBM). As far as cheap hosting, Google App Engine is one place to look. For low traffic sites (e.g. pre-launch) it's free. And you can use your domain name or theirs. And Amazon AWS offers the 1st year free (their Free Tier: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/). Servlet containers can take a while to start up and deploy your app, use some memory, etc. but they're getting ready to handle a lot of concurrent traffic. And there are other web frameworks / APIs built on the Servlet API that feel more modern, like Play (http://www.playframework.org/). Scala makes Java much less verbose while compiling to Java class files / byte code. Many variable types and return types will be inferred by the compiler providing compile-time type checking without the typing. What might be Clock clock = new Clock(); System.out.println("Some text"); becomes val clock = new Clock() println("Some text") and you can fit a main class (object in Scala declares a singleton) into 1 line: object App { def main(args: Array[String]) = { println("Some text") } } And there are 10 or more other features added by Scala that feel like major wins in removing boilerplate code, like lightweight closures: val closure : Int => Int = { _ + 1 } or List(1, 2, 3).map { _ + 1 } Harold On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Brian Lavender wrote: > Let me preface the Java seems to be encumbered at times with verbosity. > > System.out.println("Some text"); > > Or, the following, has got to make one wonder. > > public static void main() { > } > > Yet, with its strong typing, it can at times promote better safety. Yet, > I know the Python guys have a lot of good stuff going. > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 06:10:05PM -0800, Eric Rasmussen wrote: >> ? ?Let me preface this by saying that according to some web development >> ? ?communities, Java's niche seems to be enterprise web development by >> ? ?large teams. The reasons I hear (warning: possible stereotypes and >> ? ?faulty assumptions ahead!) are: >> ? ?1) The language itself is limited and results in a lot of boilerplate >> ? ?code, requiring more development and maintenance time > > I think with EJB 2.1 the whole thing to stubs and skeletons and > configuration files scared people off. EJB 3.1 is a whole lot easier. If > you are writing Plain Old Java Objects (POJOs) and not having to focus on > all this outside infrastructure, life is a lot better. Today's measurment > of success usually measures whether or not you can focus on POJOs. Yet, > Context Dependency Injection (CDI) also brings a better separation > of concern. > >> ? ?2) Deployment requires powerful servers, tons of configuration, etc. > > A little more overhead. But, if you all you want is a servlet container to > serve up your pages, jetty is relatively light weight. If you want to see > something cool, try the following: > > $ sudo apt-get install maven2 > > Using the the following will create default web application that uses > Wicket framework. > > $ mvn archetype:generate -DarchetypeGroupId=org.apache.wicket \ > -DarchetypeArtifactId=wicket-archetype-quickstart \ > -DarchetypeVersion=1.5.4 -DgroupId=com.mycompany \ > -DartifactId=myproject -DarchetypeRepository=https://repository.apache.org/ \ > -DinteractiveMode=false > > $ cd myproject > $ mvn jetty:run > > Point your browser to http://localhost:8080 . It's pretty lightweight. Not to mention, > if you send your source code to someone, they can run it too without having to grab > a whole bunch of jar dependencies. Pack up and send your project to a friend using > the following: > > $ mvn clean > $ tar zcvf myproject.tgz myproject > $ ls -l myproject.tgz > -rw-r--r-- 1 brian brian 20K 2012-02-22 10:11 myproject.tgz > > > >> ? ?3) The apps use a lot of memory so many web hosts don't support it >> ? ?It sounds like some of the libraries you've found might mitigate that >> ? ?and give people a reason to rethink Ruby on Rails or Django for their >> ? ?next app. In particular I'm really interested in how Java might benefit >> ? ?lone developers and small teams, either in terms of increased >> ? ?productivity or the security/stability/performance of the end product, >> ? ?and maybe a basic rundown of how to affordably launch a Java app. > > Unpredictable Garbage Collection can be a hinderance, yet ehcache is supposed > to do a good job at managing memory. I believe it uses a slab allocator so there > are less system calls to alloc and free. > > So, I would like to invite people to download Netbeans 7.1. Get the version that > does either Java EE or "All". It has the application server, the database. You will > also need to have the OpenJDK installed. If not do a "sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk". > You can also use OpenJDK 7 if you like. > > Once you have downloaded OpenJDK, run it similar to what follows: > > $ sh ./netbeans-7.1-ml.linux.sh > > Now that you have it installed, create a new web project. > > File->New Project > > Select a web project: > > Java Web ? ? Web Application > > Choose the defaults. Enter the name as SimpleWebApp > > Once the project has been created, right click the project and select "Run". > > Voila, you have a running Java Web Application. Netbeans has some great tools at facilitating the > process. Netbeans should launch your web browser with the url referencing your application. It launched > it using the included GlassFish application server. > > I worked through the book titled: > Java EE 6 Development with NetBeans 7 > by David R. Heffelfinger > > It walks you through many of the features of creating Java EE Applications. > > brian > -- > Brian Lavender > http://www.brie.com/brian/ > > "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to > make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other > way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." > > Professor C. A. R. Hoare > The 1980 Turing award lecture > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox From ericrasmussen at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 12:30:01 2012 From: ericrasmussen at gmail.com (Eric Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:30:01 -0800 Subject: [vox] What is you opinion on having a Java EE talk for March? In-Reply-To: References: <20120222002849.GJ4237@brie.com> <20120222004438.GK4237@brie.com> <20120222181433.GL4237@brie.com> Message-ID: Hi Harold, Thanks for the perspective. I think these would all be good points to touch on during a Java talk. Brian, go for it! As a side-note, I'm working on a couple of minor projects in Scala right now -- I'm really amazed at the expressiveness and flexibility of the language. To your list of boilerplate reducing Scala equivalents, I'd add: pattern matching, class instantiation, "for" comprehensions, infix class methods, implicits, parameterized types, type annotations, and higher level classes in the scalaz library that are mostly derived from category theory (functors, monads, the slightly less formal composable enumerators/iteratees, etc.). Incidentally, that's not a random list of features I read, but the things that have excited me the most in the projects I'm working on. Best, Eric On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Harold Lee wrote: > No language is perfect, but I thought I'd chime in with some points in > Java's favor. > > Even at big companies, Java often isn't done in that "enterprise" way. > I don't like what I've seen of EJBs, and fortunately I've never had to > use them (even at IBM). > > As far as cheap hosting, Google App Engine is one place to look. For > low traffic sites (e.g. pre-launch) it's free. And you can use your > domain name or theirs. And Amazon AWS offers the 1st year free (their > Free Tier: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/). > > Servlet containers can take a while to start up and deploy your app, > use some memory, etc. but they're getting ready to handle a lot of > concurrent traffic. And there are other web frameworks / APIs built on > the Servlet API that feel more modern, like Play > (http://www.playframework.org/). > > Scala makes Java much less verbose while compiling to Java class files > / byte code. Many variable types and return types will be inferred by > the compiler providing compile-time type checking without the typing. > > What might be > > Clock clock = new Clock(); > System.out.println("Some text"); > > becomes > > val clock = new Clock() > println("Some text") > > and you can fit a main class (object in Scala declares a singleton) into 1 > line: > > object App { def main(args: Array[String]) = { println("Some text") } } > > And there are 10 or more other features added by Scala that feel like > major wins in removing boilerplate code, like lightweight closures: > > val closure : Int => Int = { _ + 1 } > > or > > List(1, 2, 3).map { _ + 1 } > > Harold > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Brian Lavender wrote: > > Let me preface the Java seems to be encumbered at times with verbosity. > > > > System.out.println("Some text"); > > > > Or, the following, has got to make one wonder. > > > > public static void main() { > > } > > > > Yet, with its strong typing, it can at times promote better safety. Yet, > > I know the Python guys have a lot of good stuff going. > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 06:10:05PM -0800, Eric Rasmussen wrote: > >> Let me preface this by saying that according to some web development > >> communities, Java's niche seems to be enterprise web development by > >> large teams. The reasons I hear (warning: possible stereotypes and > >> faulty assumptions ahead!) are: > >> 1) The language itself is limited and results in a lot of boilerplate > >> code, requiring more development and maintenance time > > > > I think with EJB 2.1 the whole thing to stubs and skeletons and > > configuration files scared people off. EJB 3.1 is a whole lot easier. If > > you are writing Plain Old Java Objects (POJOs) and not having to focus on > > all this outside infrastructure, life is a lot better. Today's measurment > > of success usually measures whether or not you can focus on POJOs. Yet, > > Context Dependency Injection (CDI) also brings a better separation > > of concern. > > > >> 2) Deployment requires powerful servers, tons of configuration, etc. > > > > A little more overhead. But, if you all you want is a servlet container > to > > serve up your pages, jetty is relatively light weight. If you want to see > > something cool, try the following: > > > > $ sudo apt-get install maven2 > > > > Using the the following will create default web application that uses > > Wicket framework. > > > > $ mvn archetype:generate -DarchetypeGroupId=org.apache.wicket \ > > -DarchetypeArtifactId=wicket-archetype-quickstart \ > > -DarchetypeVersion=1.5.4 -DgroupId=com.mycompany \ > > -DartifactId=myproject -DarchetypeRepository= > https://repository.apache.org/ \ > > -DinteractiveMode=false > > > > $ cd myproject > > $ mvn jetty:run > > > > Point your browser to http://localhost:8080 . It's pretty lightweight. > Not to mention, > > if you send your source code to someone, they can run it too without > having to grab > > a whole bunch of jar dependencies. Pack up and send your project to a > friend using > > the following: > > > > $ mvn clean > > $ tar zcvf myproject.tgz myproject > > $ ls -l myproject.tgz > > -rw-r--r-- 1 brian brian 20K 2012-02-22 10:11 myproject.tgz > > > > > > > >> 3) The apps use a lot of memory so many web hosts don't support it > >> It sounds like some of the libraries you've found might mitigate that > >> and give people a reason to rethink Ruby on Rails or Django for their > >> next app. In particular I'm really interested in how Java might > benefit > >> lone developers and small teams, either in terms of increased > >> productivity or the security/stability/performance of the end > product, > >> and maybe a basic rundown of how to affordably launch a Java app. > > > > Unpredictable Garbage Collection can be a hinderance, yet ehcache is > supposed > > to do a good job at managing memory. I believe it uses a slab allocator > so there > > are less system calls to alloc and free. > > > > So, I would like to invite people to download Netbeans 7.1. Get the > version that > > does either Java EE or "All". It has the application server, the > database. You will > > also need to have the OpenJDK installed. If not do a "sudo apt-get > install openjdk-6-jdk". > > You can also use OpenJDK 7 if you like. > > > > Once you have downloaded OpenJDK, run it similar to what follows: > > > > $ sh ./netbeans-7.1-ml.linux.sh > > > > Now that you have it installed, create a new web project. > > > > File->New Project > > > > Select a web project: > > > > Java Web Web Application > > > > Choose the defaults. Enter the name as SimpleWebApp > > > > Once the project has been created, right click the project and select > "Run". > > > > Voila, you have a running Java Web Application. Netbeans has some great > tools at facilitating the > > process. Netbeans should launch your web browser with the url > referencing your application. It launched > > it using the included GlassFish application server. > > > > I worked through the book titled: > > Java EE 6 Development with NetBeans 7 > > by David R. Heffelfinger > > > > It walks you through many of the features of creating Java EE > Applications. > > > > brian > > -- > > Brian Lavender > > http://www.brie.com/brian/ > > > > "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to > > make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other > > way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." > > > > Professor C. A. R. Hoare > > The 1980 Turing award lecture > > _______________________________________________ > > vox mailing list > > vox at lists.lugod.org > > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.lugod.org/pipermail/vox/attachments/20120222/cc566458/attachment.htm From nbs at sonic.net Thu Feb 23 10:33:26 2012 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:33:26 -0800 Subject: [vox] Co-working space in Davis! Message-ID: <20120223183326.GK18127@sonic.net> Just saw this via Davis Patch: http://davis.patch.com/articles/help-name-a-new-downtown-coworking-space-poll "The experimental phase of a coworking space will begin soon. This could be great for any freelancers, telecommuters, designers, etc." -- -bill! Sent from my computer From nbs at sonic.net Fri Feb 24 10:54:33 2012 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:54:33 -0800 Subject: [vox] [fwd] Google's Information Session: Internal Technology Residency Program Message-ID: <20120224185433.GG14708@sonic.net> I was asked if I could post this: ----- Forwarded message from Kat Leung ----- Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:41:32 -0800 From: Kat Leung Subject: Please help announce Google's Information Session: Internal Technology Residency Program Subject: Google Information Session: Internal Technology Residency Program Hi LUGOD, We are pleased to announce Google's full-time Internal Technology Residency Program and hope that you will consider applying to join us. UC Davis alumnus Mike Yang will be on campus on Wednesday, February 22 to talk about the role and his experiences. What does it mean to be a resident? The Internal Technology Residency Program is designed for recent and experienced university graduates. Based in our Corporate Headquarters in Mountain View, California, this 24 month program is an immersion into end to end IT support at Google. Residents learn what it takes to support and scale Google*s internal technology from our infrastructure to the end user. Residents will choose from personally tailored learning and development tracks, will be an integral part of our front-line support and will have the opportunity to work in at least 2 Google offices from our more than 60 worldwide. Did we catch your attention? Here's how to apply. The IT Residency Program is open to all qualified college students and recent grads looking to break into the IT industry. While we think you'll have a leg up if you've majored in CS/CSE/IT, we're really looking for people with a passion for technology and eager to learn. Applicants will need to submit a resume, cover letter, and transcript. The program has start dates in June and August, 2012, so you must have graduated and be ready to start by this date. The online application can be found at http://www.google.com/jobs/students/itrp along with detailed information about the 2012 program. ... sadly, I didn't get to this email until over a week later, so the following has already occured :( Sorry! (Newborn here at home!) Want to learn more? Come to our Info Session! Date: Wednesday, February 22 Time: 6:30-7:30pm Location: Geidt Hall, 1006 RSVP here: http://goo.gl/bAbtP Details: Mike Yang graduated from Davis with a Bachelors in Computer Science in 2003. After bouncing between some programming/IT jobs, and other part-time work, he joined Google in 2006 and has worked with the helpdesk team, executive support and now manages two different IT teams. He will provide an overview of the Internal Technology Residency Program and answer questions. Food and swag will be provided. We hope to see you at our event! Cheers, Kat and Mike Kat Leung | University and Intern Programs | leungk at google.com | 650-214-2768 Connect with me and Google Students on Google+, Blog, Twitter and YouTube! ----- End forwarded message ----- -- -bill! Sent from my computer From nbs at sonic.net Tue Feb 28 15:24:43 2012 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:24:43 -0800 Subject: [vox] Sacramento game developer meet-up Message-ID: <20120228232442.GD27530@sonic.net> Linus from SacLUG pointed out the existence of a new Sacramento Game Developers Meetup group: http://www.meetup.com/gamedeveloper/ Enjoy! -- -bill! Sent from my computer From mikiesrunsbaal.sec at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 23 11:09:44 2012 From: mikiesrunsbaal.sec at sbcglobal.net (Mikies Runs Baal) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:09:44 -0000 Subject: [vox] Programming site... In-Reply-To: <4E2BACE6.5070200@sbcglobal.net> References: <20110724020416.GB4066@sonic.net> <4E2BACE6.5070200@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4F468EDE.3020400@sbcglobal.net> Heya, I recently heard about and found this site for the programmers among us. http://projecteuler.net/ About Project Euler Leonhard Euler (1707-1783) What is Project Euler? Project Euler is a series of challenging mathematical/computer programming problems that will require more than just mathematical insights to solve. Although mathematics will help you arrive at elegant and efficient methods, the use of a computer and programming skills will be required to solve most problems. The motivation for starting Project Euler, and its continuation, is to provide a platform for the inquiring mind to delve into unfamiliar areas and learn new concepts in a fun and recreational context. Who are the problems aimed at? The intended audience include students for whom the basic curriculum is not feeding their hunger to learn, adults whose background was not primarily mathematics but had an interest in things mathematical, and professionals who want to keep their problem solving and mathematics on the edge. Can anyone solve the problems? The problems range in difficulty and for many the experience is inductive chain learning. That is, by solving one problem it will expose you to a new concept that allows you to undertake a previously inaccessible problem. So the determined participant will slowly but surely work his/her way through every problem. TTYL, MJR On 7/23/2011 10:25 PM, Mikies Runs Baal wrote: > Bill, > > Never heard of this site before, but well worth a 2nd look and bookmarking. > > MJR > > On 7/23/2011 7:04 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote: >> Seen on SF-LUG: >> >> ----- Forwarded message from Grant Bowman ----- >> >> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:06:43 -0700 >> From: Grant Bowman >> Subject: [sf-lug] Khan Academy starts a Computer Science playlist >> To: SF-LUG, OLPC SF, >> discussion at lists.partimus.org >> >> This is forwarded from the Humbolt LUG. >> >> Grant >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "John Hauser" >> Date: Jul 18, 2011 11:25 AM >> Subject: [linux] Khan Academy starts a Computer Science playlist >> To: "HumLUG" >> >> any of you who've attended recent monthly meetings have heard me >> blather on about the Khan Academy and it's founder Sal Khan. >> http://www.khanacademy.org >> >> now he's turning his focus to Computer Science and has produced a >> series of videos about learning python and some simple computer >> science topics. >> >> if you're interested in learning python at your own pace, check out >> the Computer Science playlist: >> http://www.khanacademy.org/#computer-science >> >> ----- End forwarded message ----- >> > _______________________________________________ > vox mailing list > vox at lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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