Ars Techical has a look at KDE 4 beta 2: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/09/04/testdriving-kde-4-beta-2-or-thereabouts And KDE's 'Dot' news site has info about KDE 4.0's revised release schedule: http://dot.kde.org/1189160442/ -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/