[vox] LTSP Presentation Thanks

Tue Sep 21 12:18:53 PDT 2004

Steve, it was just great to hear about someone following their passion and combining entrepreneurship with good deeds. In the spirit of a continuing dialogue, here are a couple of thoughts on the topics you presented.
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RUNNING WINDOWS APPS – you mentioned that you were investing time and effort in working with Windows Terminal Server in order to provide a solution for those schools that have a requirement to server Windows only programs out to their staff and students. Here is, a link to an interesting article with the CIO and exec at NeTraverse (the Win4Lin folks), and a link to an overview for Win4Lin server.  I'm sending this because my experience from managing Citrix and WTS for over a decade is they are way too complex and costly for your school clients.  Win4Lin might be worth looking into as a simpler and less expensive alternative for Windows legacy support. But my advice is to stay away from Microsoft Windows Terminal Server, it has the potential to consume large of amounts of technical support time.

Interview with Mark Hinkle, Win4Lin CIO http://linuxworld.com/story/46192.htm

"Another example is LiveDoor (www.livedoor.com) in Japan. They are a systems integrator that has converted PCs to thin-client machines using the LinspireLive! Bootable CD, then they use the Win4Lin Terminal Server to serve Windows applications. They're duplicating this configuration in schools in Japan so that they can take advantage of Linux as a learning environment, and they can still teach students about Microsoft Office, since it's currently the most popular office suite.

Finally, probably my favorite example is in the Netherlands schools where Siceroo, another integrator, is putting together ICT (Information Communications Technology) solutions for schools using the Win4Lin Terminal Server, Linux, and Sun's thin-client devices - the Sun Ray. In the schools, they're dropping in servers supplemented with thin-client devices. The students still get to use all their rich multimedia Windows applications running on Win4Lin, but the thin-client/ Linux combo is very easy for Siceroo to maintain on behalf of the school. What's really neat is that the students authenticate to the server through Sun's Sun Ray using smart cards. They can work on their projects at their desk by sticking in a card, then when it's time to show their teacher they can pull out the card, walk up to the teacher's desk, and pull up their desktop in the same state it was in at their seat. That's an incredibly useful tool in a school where many users share the same PC.?"

"we are expecting to go to beta with a new version that supports later versions of Windows in the third quarter of 2004."

http://www.netraverse.com/products/wts/

If you wanted to drop him an email, I'm guessing his email is mhinkle at netraverse.com . 

Here's another article on Win4Lin from the O'Reilly newsletter.  http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/06/10/win4lin.html 

MIGRATION FROM WINDOWS – Steve, you may already have investigated these resources for your education clients, but let me include them just in case. Some of them may find an open source alternative to their legacy Windows product and want to gradually migrate to this alternative. 

http://www.gnu.org/education/software.html  GNU list of free education software

http://ofset.sourceforge.net/freeduc/  Freeduc is a directory of free software for education. OFSET -  promote the development of free software for the educational system and teaching.

http://network.gouldacademy.org/   If I understand the Gould statements, they have migrated fully to Linux. Does this offer a testimony for other schools wondering if they “must” maintain both environments? I was fascinated by the site and information that Derek Dresser, Director of Technology for Gould Academy created. Have you talked with him by any chance?

Hawaii and LTSP – sending these in case in you haven’t seen them

http://www.hosef.org/ 
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Sep/16/ln/ln21a.html 
http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2004/09/06/story6.html?t=printable

By the way, am I right that this BILUG meeting is the one you were mentioning taking place at the school LTSP site you installed? http://bilug.org/index.shtml#announce 

Grant Ideas -

Steve, have you made any contacts in the grant writing community for education / healthcare  NPO/NGOs? If not, I’d be happy to collaborate with you on some ideas in this area. I think you have a great base for creating some collaborating with different groups and creating exciting grant ideas around LTSP.  And there are terrific local contacts to pursue, for example look at the speakers for the LAW conference in SF last month http://www.linuxjournal.com//article.php?sid=6256  

Steve, I look forward to talking with you. 

Ed Elliott

----- Original Message -----
From: "steve at hargadon.com" <steve at hargadon.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:18:05 -0400
To: vox at lists.lugod.org
Subject: [vox] LTSP Presentation Thanks

Re: I want to thank those of you who attended the meeting last night and gave
Re: me a chance to present LTSP to you.  
Re: 
Re: I would appreciate any feedback or ideas.  I am hoping to find a local
Re: school that would really benefit from the technology and could be used to
Re: showcase LTSP to the Secretary of Education's office.  
Re: 
Re: I would also be glad to set up terminals for display and use at any of the
Re: meetings that are coming up relating to California budget policy with
Re: regard to Open Source software.  
Re: 
Re: Steve
Re: 
Re: Steve Hargadon
Re: 916-899-1400 cell
Re: steve at hargadon.com

Ed Elliott
(707) 428-6620
Ed_Elliott at email.com