I had trouble getting 'vox-if' setup. I didn't realize Rod Roark had to do some tweaks to get a new list up and running. Anyway, it's alive, and I've just forwarded a stack of RSVP e-mails from the past week: http://lists.lugod.org/pipermail/vox-if/2003-October/thread.html Have at 'em! Go subscribe here [if you tried before, you'll need to again... sorry!] http://www.lugod.org/mailinglists/ -bill!