so incomplete that it's almost not worth mentioning, but it's funny to see cajones this big... http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/sigmil/RevEng/ it looks like the html that jade produces. i'm wondering if someone is really intending this to be a serious HOWTO... pete -- Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D