[vox-tech] libstdc++ and sgi and hp?

[Hai Yi]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Brian Lavender<brian at brie.com> wrote:
> I thought the STL was renamed to the Standard Library. I thought the
> article was interesting where Stephanov described how C++ programmers
> tried to form generics (or however you call it) using the object
> oriented approach and it would invariably fail. The STL (or standard
> library ) is a great thing and it is hard to imagine C++ without it.
>
>
According to "Effective C++", STL and Standard Library is not superset
of either. STL concentrates on algorithm, iterator, containers,
functors and maybe, allocator, while standard library includes part(if
not all) STL, besides, it has io packages and C89 library,etc.

> On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 09:56:40AM -0400, Hai Yi wrote:
>> it seems to me Stepanov is good at convincing people so that he was
>> able to push his ideas and make his marks no matter where he was,
>> hehe.
>>
>> And libstdc++, anyone knows the history? (Wiki redirect this item to
>> "C++ standard Library")
>>
>> Hai
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Ken Bloom<kbloom at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 19:51 -0700, Jeff Newmiller wrote:
>> >> Hai Yi wrote:
>> >> > I've been reading some general stuff about C++, it appears to me that
>> >> > in unix/linux, libstdc++ is a c++ implementation from gnu, but there
>> >> > are the sgi and hp's copyright info in the header files like
>> >> > /usr/include/c++/4.3/vector . I used to use sgi's stl website as
>> >> > reference (http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/ ), which gave me an impression
>> >> > that this company used to be a big contributor to C++ (or STL? )
>> >> > standardization; however, from wiki, it appears HP is the one behind
>> >> > the STL effort.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone can have a brief history lesson about libstdc++, sgl and hp's
>> >> > relations in regard to STL?
>> >>
>> >> Alexander Stepanov might [1][2] have something to say about the latter
>> >> two, but I don't think he reads this mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> [1] http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/drdobbs-interview.html
>> >> [2] http://www.stlport.org/resources/StepanovUSA.html
>> >>
>> >
>> > Sounds from these articles and Wikipedia like:
>> >
>> > Alexander Stepanov is the contributor, and whatever company employs him
>> > at the time is the one behind the the STL effort. So the earliest
>> > conceptual work in generic programming was stuff Stepanov did at GE and
>> > later AT&T. Stepanov must have started working with generic programming
>> > in C++ when he was at HP (and he published a full STL while he was
>> > there). He then did further development on the STL at SGI, and that's
>> > the version that's standardized.
>> >
>> > There are other languages these days that also seem to do a good job at
>> > generic programming, in particular Haskell, and dynamic languages like
>> > Ruby.
>> >
>> > --Ken
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